Win-win and economics

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I love this idea. Kind of like getting "reciprocal links." I am already working on some marketing ideas for my babysitting website that will benefit other sites as much as mine. Win-win, what a great concept

Move his garden to the neighbors yard! The rabbits will follow. Since there is no fence he could still get to his garden! www.johnbwadsworth.com

Win/Win or No Deal. Is there a third option. Get a dog that chases rabbits?
One that barks all night in the woods? traps then sell the pelts?

Cui bono? Who benefits? Cato?

Don't get me started on 'Fair'!!!

Tim

Aaron-

Great article! In all "fairness" I have to say that benefit is not the first thing that would come to mind if someone had mentioned the idea of win-win to me. My thought process would have moved right towards what the fair thing to do would be. I will definitely be thinking about this more.

JenniferSkinner

Benefits versus fairness. Why is it that I expect things need to be fair. And especially fair from my limited perspective? I don't know, but iI do know that as I have matured I have moved away from the fairness doctrine. Don't get me wrong I still am for fairness but I have become more aware of how my perceptions bias my perspective on what is fair.

The Road Warrior

Hi Aaron,

"The best case scenario, to me, is where we would be so creative and productive that what we offer is always seen as a benefit, so that people naturally want to be reciprocal."

what an excellent idea! indeed, that is SO much more attractive and magnetic than when we just sort of barf out our idea of fairness. then we just feel pressured.

But when we can approach everything with an idea of seduction and attraction, like romantic relationships, human sexuality
then I certainly find we are more persuasive and we ALL benefit mutually.

but I know you already know how to close THAT deal because you are a newlywed!


Hi Aaron,

It always surpises me how many people promote Win-Win but fail to really grasp the true concept of implement in there everyday activities.

Paul www.paul-cunningham.co.uk

Fairness is a belief system that can be extremely limiting. When people get all caught up in getting their fair share or in defining the success of a negotiation in getting what is fair to them they limit their actions. The focus in any negotiation should be on getting the desired result, not on any perceived issue of fairness. (Although I think the word is a great negotiating tool)

Life is not and should not ever be "fair", although I do like the idea of win-win.
Steve,

I'm right with you. I think win-win is one of those high-concept catchphrases that people pepper into conversation. It sounds good, but what people normally associate it with is "fair", which, like I said, may or may not actually enter into the picture. It's much better to find out a way to end up better at the end that at the start. And like you said, if people implemented that into their daily life, I think they'd see big improvements.

Aaron
Steve,

I think you're right on how to treat the word "fair" - it's a negotiation tool People may be more likely to accept something if it strikes them as "fair". Of course, that's a subjective judgment. If two people set out to negotiate something, focusing on what's fair will necessarily focus on what is subjective. That is, as you said, a very limited focus during negotiation.

Aaron

I agree with your take on not get caught up in fairness. Doesn't win-win come down to knowing the other party well enough to grasp what they'll perceive as a benefit?

Hmm... Great topic. Looking forward to your next post

Yann Vernier Sucess Coaching

Look at how the concept of "fair" has generated discussion on our part. My kids used to always argue that we were not fair in how we treated them. The truth is that trying to meet their concept of fairness would have been paralyzing. No decisions or discipline would ever take place.

Extrapolating that into the grown up world our political systems are also paralyzed in the interest of fairness. Again, we need to focus on solutions and results, which was the point of the original argument.

Steve Chambers Sales and Leadership website

I agree that people would tend to stop at the words 'win/win' assuming that by choosing something 'fair' (that just happens to work for them) that it is a 'win/win'. I appreciate your example of what, in our home, we call 'taking the high road' which almost always creates a positive relationship which is, in itself, a win/win for all involved. I will keep this concept in mind during my life empowerment mentoring sessions.
Operation Blog.
Everything is at trade.
"Fair is a set of rules by which I win and you lose." Never fight 'fair' Play fair is good economic sense.

Tim
"When you turn the other cheek you get slapped on two cheeks." - Johnny Rotten

Don't know why, but that quote seemed to fit.

Steve

Aaron,

Good insights on the slippery concept of win-win. Stephen Covey had an excellent summary of the different negotiation mindsets involving winning and losing in his 7 Habits book.

I am myself developing the thoughts further in my web site www.4neg.com. I think the question of a far benchmark is the key here. We "win" from a deal, if the added value from it is higher than what was our benchmark. The benchmark is usually so called BATNA, or Best Alternative To Negotiated Alternative, to use William Uru's term from Getting to Yes.

- Sami

Negotiation Secrets

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